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ginetti · Jun 03, 2005, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Hi, what do you think of this Ultimate TANK BUILD

Firstly, go warrior/ele (yes, ele)

2ndly, equipment, you'll want an uber shield, so that means use either sword or axe (we're about tanking, not damage)

couple the shiled (hopefull with a -3 damage recieve on it) with uber armor, you only need 1 piece of the knights to get th e -2 damage (i sujjext the gloves, as you are % chance to be hit there is very low) and the rest of armor is plate mail or whatever the total highest is atm. Then slap a Superior absorption rune on there. So you'll recieve a total of -5 (yes it stacks) soak and with a shield, you'll have more armor.

DID YOU KNOW: damage taken in the back does not count your shields armor

OK, then you'll want the spell: ARMOR OF EARTH.

You can add a total of +40 or more armor to yourself.

Then use alot of armor pumping warrior skills, and you'll be nigh on impossible to kill, with armor over 150 at times, and a great soak.

Oh, try to slap on a superior vigor rune.

The ultimate?"
Yes.

Armor of earth makes an ele into a uber tank, imagine a tank with that fantastic gear, running hot with a high earth skill and armor of earth.

TANKNESS!

eA-Zaku · Jun 03, 2005, 06:31 AM // 06:31

I think a primary Elementalist with Armor of Earth and some ward spells is a better tank...

Someone mentioned that in another thread.

Tormunda · Jun 03, 2005, 07:07 AM // 07:07

My W/M uses Mark of protection and Watch yourself for a 160AL defence and a large health regen.
Yes it's nice.
Yes you can soak a lot of damage.
Your still toast if your over confident.
Your still toast if your enemy tries to kill you another way, other than hitting you with sticks!
Nothing is Uber in this game, except a good player!

Immortal Flame · Jun 03, 2005, 07:45 AM // 07:45

I think Earth defenses on a Warrior are pretty obvious, and removing enchantments is also pretty obvious.

Asrial · Jun 03, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Illusionary Weaponry comes to mind, and that's without thinking too hard about it.

Immortal Flame · Jun 03, 2005, 08:10 AM // 08:10

Yep...if everything else fails, a mesmer will own it.

ginetti · Jun 03, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

you'll be like tessai from ninja scroll.
mesmers are soft targets :P

Nlandge · Jun 03, 2005, 08:33 AM // 08:33

How about w/mo +Protection prayers, mark f protection, shielding hands and vital blessing make a good combo

oh another thing, i do believe you ment to post this in The Campfire

Mercury Angel · Jun 03, 2005, 09:17 AM // 09:17

To cut it short, I'll just leave it at this:
Not all damage takes AL into account.

Whether it's the Elementalist's Obsidian Flame/Crystal Wave, a Mesmer's Chaos damage spells, a Necromancer's Life Steals or Shadow damage spells, a Monk's Holy damage spells, or Degeneration, the result is the same: Buff your armor all you like, it won't help one bit.

MoGJeremiah · Jun 03, 2005, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Another possibility for an excellent tank is stringing together the 75% block stances. There is a much more limited skill base that removes stances, so the chances of an enemy having a skill that removes them is slim compared to the chances of an enemy having a skill that removes enchantments.

You can string together Disciplined Stance, Gladiator's Defense, Shield Stance, and Bonetti's Defense to keep up an almost constant 75% block. It's not completely impervious obviously, nothing in this game is. And I don't know if these block attack spells? Perhaps someone could enlighten me with the answer to that.

Of course building an uber-tank Warrior for PvP is a flawed concept in of itself. Unless you're facing a totally inept opponent, the Warrior is going to be the last target after all the monks and casters, so, if all your Allies are dead, all the blocking in the world won't save you.

Judas Hawksriff · Jun 03, 2005, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Immortal Flame

Yep...if everything else fails, a mesmer will own it.

Agreed - The both necro and mesmer skills mainly affect hp bypassing ac completly.

Schizo · Jun 03, 2005, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Heh, the only thing this will be good for is in PVE. Other teams in PVP will ignore you till last once they realize you can't do crap for dmg. You will be labeled as minimal threat and they will beat down your monk and softer targets and save your slaying for last. There is no way to force another team to fight you first, so to be a meatshield in GW, you would have to be an elementalist with earth skills maxed. Then you would be a target and they would swarm you.

sybban · Jun 03, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoGJeremiah

Another possibility for an excellent tank is stringing together the 75% block stances. There is a much more limited skill base that removes stances, so the chances of an enemy having a skill that removes them is slim compared to the chances of an enemy having a skill that removes enchantments.

You can string together Disciplined Stance, Gladiator's Defense, Shield Stance, and Bonetti's Defense to keep up an almost constant 75% block. It's not completely impervious obviously, nothing in this game is. And I don't know if these block attack spells? Perhaps someone could enlighten me with the answer to that.

Of course building an uber-tank Warrior for PvP is a flawed concept in of itself. Unless you're facing a totally inept opponent, the Warrior is going to be the last target after all the monks and casters, so, if all your Allies are dead, all the blocking in the world won't save you.

If you are just using stances in a fight then you won't be effective

JYX · Jun 03, 2005, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Have they fixed the buggy knight's armor? Last I heard the pieces do not stack, and nor did absorption runes stack with it. Did they fix this in the last update?

Red Locust · Jun 03, 2005, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Judge's Insight does not give attacks holy armor-ignoring damage, right? It just ignores the "+ to physical resistance" armor bonus and gives a 20% armor penetration? That could cut through your armor easier. Although, as stated already, warriors, especially ones with earth buffs, get targetted last thus making you pretty much a paperweight in PvP with that reduced speed.

Now an ele with Ward vs. Melee, Obsidian Flesh, Armor of Earth, and maybe Kinetic Armor, mmmm...now that is untouchable. (although it still somewhat suffers from being a paperweight)

Ketch · Jun 03, 2005, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everous

Have they fixed the buggy knight's armor? Last I heard the pieces do not stack, and nor did absorption runes stack with it. Did they fix this in the last update?

This is not a bug,
This is working as intended.

JYX · Jun 03, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

...whatever floats your boat.

If thats the case and it hasn't been then what Anet intended to do was make the knight's armor not function at all. Since I'm pretty sure at one point it did not stack with superior absorption runes. This made it absolutely and totally unnecessary. Why would you want this -2 when you can have -3 and more energy by using the gladiator's armor and a superior rune?

Julius Gaius · Jun 03, 2005, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Do not use Armor of Earth. Use armor of mist. That way, you won't be a paperweight, in fact you'll be running at +33% and have a similar armor bonus. Also use kinetic armor which refreshes everytime you cast a spell.

When u think about it though, +40AC is not much to someone wearing dragons/plate armor. It helps, but it's not the end-all-be-all. Use ward vs meele, magnetic aura, and blurred vision to block and evade most blows. Ward and Blurred are AoEs, so your fellow tanks will thank u.

It is not about getting hit for less, it's about not getting hit at all.

eventhorizen · Jun 03, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everous

...whatever floats your boat.

If thats the case and it hasn't been then what Anet intended to do was make the knight's armor not function at all. Since I'm pretty sure at one point it did not stack with superior absorption runes. This made it absolutely and totally unnecessary. Why would you want this -2 when you can have -3 and more energy by using the gladiator's armor and a superior rune?

That depends on the runes you want to use.

My warrior head piece is +1 Hammer Mastery, Hammer Mastery rune in gloves because they stack, Strength in chestpiece, Vigor and Absorption in greaves and leggings.
I dont use the aborbant armour (knights) but rather the one with +20 v physical.

The only other rune I can think of would be tactics, that would take the place of the absorbant rune in the Knights Armor, and if you do that my build has more base armor+absorbancy than yours anyway.

Fitting a rune of tactics I can see working in some builds. It has the possiblity to crank up AL rating via skills.

The Gladiators armour would be good if your heavilly enchanted or plan to unleash a barrage of awsome spells quickly, but if not then REGEN counts more, imo, than capacity.

Dont complain that the armor is bugged, becuase if it was EVERYONE would know by now, and it would have been fixed. Think of the Knights armor as a slightly less protective set of armor, but with a free rune stitched on, meaning more runes you can put on.

Raiddinn Beatdropper · Jun 03, 2005, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I guess you could probably do pretty well with say

Defensive Stance
Watch Yourself
Ward Against Melee
Armor of Earth

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